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There is no middle ground but there is an underground.

Pro-complimentarian women are breaking all the "rules" for none of them actually do keep quiet, nor do they shrink to the back pew or wear veils or walk behind their man.

Nonsense. “Silence” and “submission” as is touted as beneficial is not reality nor is it Christ-like. The Christian Woman Set Free by Gene Edwards & Who Is Your Covering by Frank Viola.

If complimentarians would be honest, they could not present one growing church anywhere that practices “silence” for it guarantees spiritual death. This can never edify women or the church for it suppresses the testimony of Jesus (which is prophesying) by half of the members.

Pretence & games played all because of conventional wisdom. Never mind that in Col 2:21 -- "IN CHRIST" a believer -- male or female -- is complete, lacking nothing.

Percolate in your thinking. IF YOU BE IN CHRIST!

The doctrine of the priesthood of the believer destroys the complimentarian position. Interestingly, it was a "veil" that was rent in the temple. Yet, that very veil is still trying to be imposed upon women to this day.

Jeannie Babb Taylor

CT: Also, unfortunately, it is difficult to imagine what a middle ground in this issue would look like.

Egalitarianism is the middle ground.... between male domination and female domination.

CT: And what about Genesis 3:16? Is it descriptive of the results of the Fall, or is it prescriptive, that God has ordained that husbands are supposed to rule over wives? And the middle position would be -- ?

Your question rests on a premise (God has ordained that husbands are supposed to rule) which is itself an extra-biblical interpretation. Genesis 3:16 never tells us what is "supposed" to be or what God "ordains", but rather what WILL be as the result of sin. If you'd like to know what is/was "supposed" to be, you must look back at the original perfect creation. There you will observe male and female created in God's image, serving and exercising dominion together. There you will see Adam hailing Eve as "Bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh!"

C.T.

I too believe there are usually various middle ground positions, some that make sense and some that don't in a great many issues of life, religious, political or otherwise. Unfortunately, America, and perhaps a great deal of western culture, has grown increasingly polarized, and the issue of gender equality has grown increasingly strident and irrational in just the last decade.

Also, unfortunately, it is difficult to imagine what a middle ground in this issue would look like. Husbands in charge three-quarters of the time? Only hermaphrodites can be pastors? The androgynous? The neutered? And what about Genesis 3:16? Is it descriptive of the results of the Fall, or is it prescriptive, that God has ordained that husbands are supposed to rule over wives? And the middle position would be -- ?

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